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		<title>By: Doug Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.blueridgemuse.com/node/5324/comment-page-1#comment-9105</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick:

I deleted or blocked more than 50 anonymous comments because they contained charges or claims that were not backed by a link to an actual source or were just outright slanderous. I also blocked one persistent commenter whose posts were simply a string of insults to others. Otherwise, given the sensitivity of the issues, I let other posts stand. I never had an outright requirement that all posters use their full names. I only said that posts that contained claims that crossed the line would have to be backed by a poster&#039;s full name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick:</p>
<p>I deleted or blocked more than 50 anonymous comments because they contained charges or claims that were not backed by a link to an actual source or were just outright slanderous. I also blocked one persistent commenter whose posts were simply a string of insults to others. Otherwise, given the sensitivity of the issues, I let other posts stand. I never had an outright requirement that all posters use their full names. I only said that posts that contained claims that crossed the line would have to be backed by a poster&#8217;s full name.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Parrish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Parrish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Doug, Whatever happened to your requirement that folks use their real names? Did that fall by the wayside? Just wondering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Doug, Whatever happened to your requirement that folks use their real names? Did that fall by the wayside? Just wondering.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every now and then someone reminds us we are not a democracy. We have a representative gov&#039;t. Good idea if you ignore how the choices are selected by a monetary system driven by folks with enough money to buy their agenda. Campaign promises matter, but only to the extent of execution. We know how that turns out. Then we can wait till the next election and another decision choosing the best of the worst. 

I hope everyone read this blue sky report. You don&#039;t need a degree to run some rough numbers in the pond potential. 1300 bleacher seats? The VT investment of 5 million over 20 years? Look back to council meeting conversations and Lance over time. The debt service and operating costs (probably underestimated) make it appear VT gets a freebie. 

I just saw the C&#039;burg mayor stating the same old nonsense. Of course, any venue of attraction will increase meals and lodging revenue. How does that offset the expenses of the white elephant going forward. Earn it here, and burn it there, and lose money. 

http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/254121

I like the part where it says it&#039;s one of the few such fabulous facilities in the entire country. Does that make it a good idea or is it evidence that it&#039;s a really bad idea? 

Lance sounds like someone else only this won&#039;t last 50 years and have a happy ending in some history book. 

&quot;I would be more optimistic if I could just ignore the facts.&quot; I don&#039;t know who to attribute it to but it stuck in my mind. 

Maybe Floyd will experience some annexation and the project could be the biggest wind and solar powered ferris wheel in the country. Hey, I can see Sarah Palin&#039;s house from here. 

Happy Monday. Rush over to the the pool and get your membership while they&#039;re hot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every now and then someone reminds us we are not a democracy. We have a representative gov&#8217;t. Good idea if you ignore how the choices are selected by a monetary system driven by folks with enough money to buy their agenda. Campaign promises matter, but only to the extent of execution. We know how that turns out. Then we can wait till the next election and another decision choosing the best of the worst. </p>
<p>I hope everyone read this blue sky report. You don&#8217;t need a degree to run some rough numbers in the pond potential. 1300 bleacher seats? The VT investment of 5 million over 20 years? Look back to council meeting conversations and Lance over time. The debt service and operating costs (probably underestimated) make it appear VT gets a freebie. </p>
<p>I just saw the C&#8217;burg mayor stating the same old nonsense. Of course, any venue of attraction will increase meals and lodging revenue. How does that offset the expenses of the white elephant going forward. Earn it here, and burn it there, and lose money. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/254121" rel="nofollow">http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/254121</a></p>
<p>I like the part where it says it&#8217;s one of the few such fabulous facilities in the entire country. Does that make it a good idea or is it evidence that it&#8217;s a really bad idea? </p>
<p>Lance sounds like someone else only this won&#8217;t last 50 years and have a happy ending in some history book. </p>
<p>&#8220;I would be more optimistic if I could just ignore the facts.&#8221; I don&#8217;t know who to attribute it to but it stuck in my mind. </p>
<p>Maybe Floyd will experience some annexation and the project could be the biggest wind and solar powered ferris wheel in the country. Hey, I can see Sarah Palin&#8217;s house from here. </p>
<p>Happy Monday. Rush over to the the pool and get your membership while they&#8217;re hot.</p>
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		<title>By: Awareness Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.blueridgemuse.com/node/5324/comment-page-1#comment-9081</link>
		<dc:creator>Awareness Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoning, no matter what the county or town, can lead to citizens literally losing the rights to their land.

Sure, some reasonable control or laws related to trash, for instance, are a given. However, one local council member said, upon retirement, that, &quot;the most difficult thing I encountered was telling people what they can and can&#039;t  do with their land&quot;. One honest councilperson..

Repression of rights, costly hearings, and rumored pay-offs are some of the negatives of zoning. Let freedom ring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoning, no matter what the county or town, can lead to citizens literally losing the rights to their land.</p>
<p>Sure, some reasonable control or laws related to trash, for instance, are a given. However, one local council member said, upon retirement, that, &#8220;the most difficult thing I encountered was telling people what they can and can&#8217;t  do with their land&#8221;. One honest councilperson..</p>
<p>Repression of rights, costly hearings, and rumored pay-offs are some of the negatives of zoning. Let freedom ring.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would hate to see the town gov. go away and leave it all to the supervisors. They do not seem to have much interst in the town, and sure have enough to do to run the county. The development is going to happen on land in the county and the town council and town manager will have no say in how it is done. We citizens need to let the county board of supervisors know how we feel about development,etc. With no real zoning anything can happen. With zoning, we may not be able to do what we want with our own land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would hate to see the town gov. go away and leave it all to the supervisors. They do not seem to have much interst in the town, and sure have enough to do to run the county. The development is going to happen on land in the county and the town council and town manager will have no say in how it is done. We citizens need to let the county board of supervisors know how we feel about development,etc. With no real zoning anything can happen. With zoning, we may not be able to do what we want with our own land.</p>
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		<title>By: Awareness Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Awareness Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, &#039;...saga is democracy&#039;..I just can&#039;t agree.  

The &#039;kiss-up/positive&#039; quotes from &#039;insiders&#039;, such as Councilman Barber and the Chief of police, are &#039;no brainers&#039;. After all, why would Barber, for instance, want to &#039;tell the truth&#039; about the Town&#039;s problems...he&#039;s one of the &#039;closed-door&#039; mongers.

The saga, in this case, is simply a sad saga. The only signs of democracy have been the few that, on short notice, attended the single-meeting (minus the Mayor!) of Floyd Council that was apparently an attempt to &#039;ice the cake&#039; for Terpenny.

The posts about the article mostly relegate to water and sewer issues. Important concerns. It seems that concern about any consideration of combining the Town with the County points to the need for a separate article?

If Floyd wants projects that resemble the Aquatics Center (cement pond) project in Christiansburg that was supposed to cost $7 million, but &#039;went awry&#039; to a $10 million COST-OVERRUN (let alone, years late)...that&#039;s $17 million, rather than $7 million (overpriced at that point)....then let the Mayor and &#039;his&#039; Council proceed with &#039;the&#039; Town Manager.

@Karen: &#039;...Town should...expand..or dissolve..&#039;..:
Don&#039;t worry, if the &#039;done-deal&#039; (initially made behind &#039;closed door&#039; policy) is finalized, Floyd will most likely expand. That is, if the legacy of the proposed Town Manager proceeds. Just beware of cost-overruns and ruination of the &#039;Republic of Floyd&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, &#8216;&#8230;saga is democracy&#8217;..I just can&#8217;t agree.  </p>
<p>The &#8216;kiss-up/positive&#8217; quotes from &#8216;insiders&#8217;, such as Councilman Barber and the Chief of police, are &#8216;no brainers&#8217;. After all, why would Barber, for instance, want to &#8216;tell the truth&#8217; about the Town&#8217;s problems&#8230;he&#8217;s one of the &#8216;closed-door&#8217; mongers.</p>
<p>The saga, in this case, is simply a sad saga. The only signs of democracy have been the few that, on short notice, attended the single-meeting (minus the Mayor!) of Floyd Council that was apparently an attempt to &#8216;ice the cake&#8217; for Terpenny.</p>
<p>The posts about the article mostly relegate to water and sewer issues. Important concerns. It seems that concern about any consideration of combining the Town with the County points to the need for a separate article?</p>
<p>If Floyd wants projects that resemble the Aquatics Center (cement pond) project in Christiansburg that was supposed to cost $7 million, but &#8216;went awry&#8217; to a $10 million COST-OVERRUN (let alone, years late)&#8230;that&#8217;s $17 million, rather than $7 million (overpriced at that point)&#8230;.then let the Mayor and &#8216;his&#8217; Council proceed with &#8216;the&#8217; Town Manager.</p>
<p>@Karen: &#8216;&#8230;Town should&#8230;expand..or dissolve..&#8217;..:<br />
Don&#8217;t worry, if the &#8216;done-deal&#8217; (initially made behind &#8216;closed door&#8217; policy) is finalized, Floyd will most likely expand. That is, if the legacy of the proposed Town Manager proceeds. Just beware of cost-overruns and ruination of the &#8216;Republic of Floyd&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the PSA (Public Service Authority) is a cost recovery operation.  It is also not a &#039;Town&#039; operation but a joint operation between the County and Town - the board is appointed by Board of Supervisors and the Town Council.  The Town is very small in size.  There is very limited space available for any growth which means future growth will occur outside the town limits (see Dollar General, Family Dollar, Mickey G&#039;s, etc...)   This puts pressure on the Town because the Town does not see any Tax Revenue from these businesses unlike the in-town businesses that have to pay Town taxes (as well as Town citizens).   In my oppinion, the Town should either expand in size or dissolve as a seperate entity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the PSA (Public Service Authority) is a cost recovery operation.  It is also not a &#8216;Town&#8217; operation but a joint operation between the County and Town &#8211; the board is appointed by Board of Supervisors and the Town Council.  The Town is very small in size.  There is very limited space available for any growth which means future growth will occur outside the town limits (see Dollar General, Family Dollar, Mickey G&#8217;s, etc&#8230;)   This puts pressure on the Town because the Town does not see any Tax Revenue from these businesses unlike the in-town businesses that have to pay Town taxes (as well as Town citizens).   In my oppinion, the Town should either expand in size or dissolve as a seperate entity.</p>
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		<title>By: John McEnhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McEnhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my understanding that water/sewer is under the jurisdiction of a joint town/county PSA and that it is independent after having town and county reps appointed when it was first established.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my understanding that water/sewer is under the jurisdiction of a joint town/county PSA and that it is independent after having town and county reps appointed when it was first established.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Parrish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Parrish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 04:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a number of county residents outside the town limits on town water and sewer already. You might ask the Public Service Authority how this issue is handle presently. It&#039;s possible that they are a cost recovery operation although that would be a surprise to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a number of county residents outside the town limits on town water and sewer already. You might ask the Public Service Authority how this issue is handle presently. It&#8217;s possible that they are a cost recovery operation although that would be a surprise to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Lowrance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Lowrance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, thanks for your input.  Good points.  I like the convenience of living in town, but our water bill surely is high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, thanks for your input.  Good points.  I like the convenience of living in town, but our water bill surely is high.</p>
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